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		<title>By: Jackie Gillies</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/activism/comment-page-1/#comment-634</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Gillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I never said that their was not candidate...those were not my words.  I do think, with the exception of Zac and maybe Dale - yourself and others are more of the same.   For NAFA to thrive (I did not say survive as I know it will, but THRIVE), it needs a new approach to measuring, and some other things that have been mentioned on this blog.
I really don&#039;t think anyone in U-FLI is really paying attention to what other dogs are jumping.   It is a completely different atmosphere than NAFA tourneys.   Shock is tiny - jumps 9 in NAFA...but, he leg bone is longer - and leg bone is deceiving as my Border Jack Vogue is the same height as Shock, but will jump 8 in U-FLI.  

My team is FULL of height dogs, so usually our Short Fuse team is all 7 inch jumping dogs with a token big dog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I never said that their was not candidate&#8230;those were not my words.  I do think, with the exception of Zac and maybe Dale &#8211; yourself and others are more of the same.   For NAFA to thrive (I did not say survive as I know it will, but THRIVE), it needs a new approach to measuring, and some other things that have been mentioned on this blog.<br />
I really don&#8217;t think anyone in U-FLI is really paying attention to what other dogs are jumping.   It is a completely different atmosphere than NAFA tourneys.   Shock is tiny &#8211; jumps 9 in NAFA&#8230;but, he leg bone is longer &#8211; and leg bone is deceiving as my Border Jack Vogue is the same height as Shock, but will jump 8 in U-FLI.  </p>
<p>My team is FULL of height dogs, so usually our Short Fuse team is all 7 inch jumping dogs with a token big dog.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/activism/comment-page-1/#comment-633</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry: &quot;I have also read the candidate chat transcripts and I think these chats are a waste of time. Sure, it lets people see where the candidates stand on the issues but the people running are no different than the people already on the board, so what difference does it make?&quot;

Do any of the candidates feel NAFA flyballers would be better served by having all dogs issued a height card by a single measurement or a three-measurement effort?

Chris: &quot;...I think the three matching measurements is fair. Not everyone agrees with this so, again….this needs delegate input...&quot;

Jackie: (on the Ufli system of one &#039;measure&#039;) &quot;...one of my dogs is on the line - of going up, so I have never felt the need to re-measure any of my dogs.&quot;

I clearly would prefer to debate these issues with someone who is a candidate for the NAFA Board and not with members of the flyball public who feel:

1) That they have NO representation on the Board.
2) That they have NO candidate to vote for and
3) ..a deep and sincere belief that NAFA is going the &quot;wrong&quot; way and that they have (untried) ideas that would improve NAFA.

It is an interesting admission that (because) you have a dog that &quot;is on the line&quot; and may re-measure at a higher jump height, you choose not to re-measure. I do not fault you at all for taking that &quot;one&quot; measure and keeping it because the rules (ufli) permit it. I would, too. ...but, I wonder how your competitors feel racing against your team if that dog is the &quot;height dog&quot; and thinking/knowing that it should be jumping higher?

The chat questioner was asking what would be &quot;fair&quot; to NAFA flyballers? ...a single measurement or a three-measurement effort? My answer has been quoted above in an effort to illustrate that my &quot;candidacy&quot; will ultimately hurt NAFA in some fashion should I be elected because it is not innovative or creative. Three measurements is &quot;traditional&quot; NAFA and not &quot;forward thinking&quot;. ....but, I don&#039;t take it personal since NONE of the other candidates are judged to be any better.

 I was simply &quot;asked&quot; and I simply &quot;answered&quot; my opinion as to &quot;what&quot; would serve NAFA&#039;s competitors the best. I don&#039;t want to &quot;hinder&quot; the future success of NAFA at all but, I want to be honest with folks who ask for my vision of &quot;fair&quot; and not give an answer that would earn me &quot;points&quot; with the questioner.

To Larry and Jackie and ALL who feel that there is no candidate in this year&#039;s NAFA elections that is worthy of their vote, I have a suggestion: When NAFA mails you your ballots, take those paper ballots and write on them clearly &quot;NONE OF THE ABOVE&quot; and return them as paper ballots. Why?

1) There is no electronic capability of writing something on the ballot if you return your vote by electronic means.
2) Returning a paper ballot means that the envelope will be opened and somebody will actually read the words: &quot;NONE OF THE ABOVE&quot;
3) Returned ballots, even if spoiled, will be accounted for. If you return a ballot without marking a choice, it cannot be mistaken for &quot;apathy&quot; (throwing it away)
4) However many ballots are returned this way, it will send a clear message to the candidates who will be successfully elected. 10 ballots or 100 ballots with NONE OF THE ABOVE written on them clearly says, &quot;You do not represent US.&quot; 

That way, no NAFA Board member elected in this year&#039;s cycle can take &quot;for granted&quot; their tenure on the NAFA Board.

Sincerely,

Chris VanWert,
Candidate for the NAFA Board of Directors</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry: &#8220;I have also read the candidate chat transcripts and I think these chats are a waste of time. Sure, it lets people see where the candidates stand on the issues but the people running are no different than the people already on the board, so what difference does it make?&#8221;</p>
<p>Do any of the candidates feel NAFA flyballers would be better served by having all dogs issued a height card by a single measurement or a three-measurement effort?</p>
<p>Chris: &#8220;&#8230;I think the three matching measurements is fair. Not everyone agrees with this so, again….this needs delegate input&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Jackie: (on the Ufli system of one &#8216;measure&#8217;) &#8220;&#8230;one of my dogs is on the line &#8211; of going up, so I have never felt the need to re-measure any of my dogs.&#8221;</p>
<p>I clearly would prefer to debate these issues with someone who is a candidate for the NAFA Board and not with members of the flyball public who feel:</p>
<p>1) That they have NO representation on the Board.<br />
2) That they have NO candidate to vote for and<br />
3) ..a deep and sincere belief that NAFA is going the &#8220;wrong&#8221; way and that they have (untried) ideas that would improve NAFA.</p>
<p>It is an interesting admission that (because) you have a dog that &#8220;is on the line&#8221; and may re-measure at a higher jump height, you choose not to re-measure. I do not fault you at all for taking that &#8220;one&#8221; measure and keeping it because the rules (ufli) permit it. I would, too. &#8230;but, I wonder how your competitors feel racing against your team if that dog is the &#8220;height dog&#8221; and thinking/knowing that it should be jumping higher?</p>
<p>The chat questioner was asking what would be &#8220;fair&#8221; to NAFA flyballers? &#8230;a single measurement or a three-measurement effort? My answer has been quoted above in an effort to illustrate that my &#8220;candidacy&#8221; will ultimately hurt NAFA in some fashion should I be elected because it is not innovative or creative. Three measurements is &#8220;traditional&#8221; NAFA and not &#8220;forward thinking&#8221;. &#8230;.but, I don&#8217;t take it personal since NONE of the other candidates are judged to be any better.</p>
<p> I was simply &#8220;asked&#8221; and I simply &#8220;answered&#8221; my opinion as to &#8220;what&#8221; would serve NAFA&#8217;s competitors the best. I don&#8217;t want to &#8220;hinder&#8221; the future success of NAFA at all but, I want to be honest with folks who ask for my vision of &#8220;fair&#8221; and not give an answer that would earn me &#8220;points&#8221; with the questioner.</p>
<p>To Larry and Jackie and ALL who feel that there is no candidate in this year&#8217;s NAFA elections that is worthy of their vote, I have a suggestion: When NAFA mails you your ballots, take those paper ballots and write on them clearly &#8220;NONE OF THE ABOVE&#8221; and return them as paper ballots. Why?</p>
<p>1) There is no electronic capability of writing something on the ballot if you return your vote by electronic means.<br />
2) Returning a paper ballot means that the envelope will be opened and somebody will actually read the words: &#8220;NONE OF THE ABOVE&#8221;<br />
3) Returned ballots, even if spoiled, will be accounted for. If you return a ballot without marking a choice, it cannot be mistaken for &#8220;apathy&#8221; (throwing it away)<br />
4) However many ballots are returned this way, it will send a clear message to the candidates who will be successfully elected. 10 ballots or 100 ballots with NONE OF THE ABOVE written on them clearly says, &#8220;You do not represent US.&#8221; </p>
<p>That way, no NAFA Board member elected in this year&#8217;s cycle can take &#8220;for granted&#8221; their tenure on the NAFA Board.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Chris VanWert,<br />
Candidate for the NAFA Board of Directors</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/activism/comment-page-1/#comment-631</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently measured (U-FLI) a dog that was very close to &quot;on the line&quot;.  I remeasured a couple of times &quot;for the benifit of the dog&quot; but still continued to get the higher measurement.  The dog was a bit over weight and quite furry.  I mentioned that after a time period of dieting and excercise and a good grooming, they might try again at measuring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently measured (U-FLI) a dog that was very close to &#8220;on the line&#8221;.  I remeasured a couple of times &#8220;for the benifit of the dog&#8221; but still continued to get the higher measurement.  The dog was a bit over weight and quite furry.  I mentioned that after a time period of dieting and excercise and a good grooming, they might try again at measuring.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/activism/comment-page-1/#comment-630</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like you said, Jackie, if the dog is right on the line you may want to re-measure, but for all of my dogs it was a no brainer.  The judge didn’t even need to tell me what the measurement was because I could see it myself.  I could have them re-measured a thousand times and it wouldn’t make a difference.  It’s just not that likely that their leg is going to get longer or shorter.  I had 5 of my dogs measured in a matter of minutes and there was no question what the measurements were for each of them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like you said, Jackie, if the dog is right on the line you may want to re-measure, but for all of my dogs it was a no brainer.  The judge didn’t even need to tell me what the measurement was because I could see it myself.  I could have them re-measured a thousand times and it wouldn’t make a difference.  It’s just not that likely that their leg is going to get longer or shorter.  I had 5 of my dogs measured in a matter of minutes and there was no question what the measurements were for each of them</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Gillies</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/activism/comment-page-1/#comment-629</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Gillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I agree with your statement, but the way CVW was wording it, made it seem like &quot;keep trying you might get it lower&quot;.  You worded it differently than she did, and specifically asked as you felt it was not a good measurement.   I could measure each and every time if I choose, but, I don&#039;t choose.  If I had a dog that was right on the line, maybe I would.  Maybe one day is different than the next, maybe my dog is tensing causing a bulge in the muscle in the leg - just speculating....A judge would be more qualified to answer on any variations they may/might have encountered.  Only one of my dogs is on the line - of going up, so I have never felt the need to re-measure any of my dogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree with your statement, but the way CVW was wording it, made it seem like &#8220;keep trying you might get it lower&#8221;.  You worded it differently than she did, and specifically asked as you felt it was not a good measurement.   I could measure each and every time if I choose, but, I don&#8217;t choose.  If I had a dog that was right on the line, maybe I would.  Maybe one day is different than the next, maybe my dog is tensing causing a bulge in the muscle in the leg &#8211; just speculating&#8230;.A judge would be more qualified to answer on any variations they may/might have encountered.  Only one of my dogs is on the line &#8211; of going up, so I have never felt the need to re-measure any of my dogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/activism/comment-page-1/#comment-628</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Chris Van Wert just keeps cracking me up with her “U-FLI owners encourage you to measure as many times as you want” WHERE does she get this? I am personal friends with quite a few of the owners, and communicate with most of the others on a regular basis - and have NEVER heard that? NEVER? )

I went to a Ufli tournament and asked them to measure my dog. But, I didn&#039;t think the judge did it quite right so I asked the Ufli owner that was there (I go to open flyball night at her training facility)  if I could do it again. She said I could. Then she told me that I could remeasure my dog as many times as I wanted. I didn&#039;t think that sounded right as everybody keeps saying you only measure once. She explained that the rules say you only need one measure to get put in the database but the rules allow you to measure as much as you want. So, she said, &quot;If you don&#039;t think the judge got the right measure for your dog, you can go back and remeasure. In fact, you could remeasure at every turnament if you want.&quot; Thats what she said to me.
I don&#039;t want to get anybody into trouble here but thats what she (ufli owner) said to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Chris Van Wert just keeps cracking me up with her “U-FLI owners encourage you to measure as many times as you want” WHERE does she get this? I am personal friends with quite a few of the owners, and communicate with most of the others on a regular basis &#8211; and have NEVER heard that? NEVER? )</p>
<p>I went to a Ufli tournament and asked them to measure my dog. But, I didn&#8217;t think the judge did it quite right so I asked the Ufli owner that was there (I go to open flyball night at her training facility)  if I could do it again. She said I could. Then she told me that I could remeasure my dog as many times as I wanted. I didn&#8217;t think that sounded right as everybody keeps saying you only measure once. She explained that the rules say you only need one measure to get put in the database but the rules allow you to measure as much as you want. So, she said, &#8220;If you don&#8217;t think the judge got the right measure for your dog, you can go back and remeasure. In fact, you could remeasure at every turnament if you want.&#8221; Thats what she said to me.<br />
I don&#8217;t want to get anybody into trouble here but thats what she (ufli owner) said to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/activism/comment-page-1/#comment-627</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said I don&#039;t have any first hand knowledge of the problem but this is the second person that I have heard this from.  I don&#039;t know the specifics. I have a real problem with posting something or even commenting on something which is basically hearsay.  I too, would like to know the real problem if there is one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said I don&#8217;t have any first hand knowledge of the problem but this is the second person that I have heard this from.  I don&#8217;t know the specifics. I have a real problem with posting something or even commenting on something which is basically hearsay.  I too, would like to know the real problem if there is one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Gillies</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/activism/comment-page-1/#comment-626</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Gillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judy,

We did not get the entry forms for most teams...I don&#039;t think it is a requirement?  I will have to find out.  I just filled out the tourney sheet with race numbers and had the teams sign those.  I did not hear anything about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judy,</p>
<p>We did not get the entry forms for most teams&#8230;I don&#8217;t think it is a requirement?  I will have to find out.  I just filled out the tourney sheet with race numbers and had the teams sign those.  I did not hear anything about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/activism/comment-page-1/#comment-625</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, 

I would be curious to know what horrors you have heard?  My team has hosted both U-Fli and NAFA and we will continue to do so.  In fact this year we did 2 NAFA and 1 U-Fli and next year it will be 1 NAFA and 2 U-Fli and then back to the previous way (yah I know we are making a NAFA one into a U-Fli tourney).  U-Fli provided us with a racing schedule (which we were able to do some tweeking of our own and then got resubmitted for approval just like NAFA).  They also generate labels for you.  

I guess maybe what Danie is talking about might be the entry forms that U-Fli has.  NAFA also has tournament entry forms but none of the clubs seem to require them anymore.  Or maybe there is something else that I am not thinking of.  I think one thing that was different for me to adjust to was singles and pairs and day of entries which can be trying.  But now I have an idea on how to handle them next time around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, </p>
<p>I would be curious to know what horrors you have heard?  My team has hosted both U-Fli and NAFA and we will continue to do so.  In fact this year we did 2 NAFA and 1 U-Fli and next year it will be 1 NAFA and 2 U-Fli and then back to the previous way (yah I know we are making a NAFA one into a U-Fli tourney).  U-Fli provided us with a racing schedule (which we were able to do some tweeking of our own and then got resubmitted for approval just like NAFA).  They also generate labels for you.  </p>
<p>I guess maybe what Danie is talking about might be the entry forms that U-Fli has.  NAFA also has tournament entry forms but none of the clubs seem to require them anymore.  Or maybe there is something else that I am not thinking of.  I think one thing that was different for me to adjust to was singles and pairs and day of entries which can be trying.  But now I have an idea on how to handle them next time around.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Gillies</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/activism/comment-page-1/#comment-624</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Gillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Larry,

I have hosted both a NAFA (in California) and U-FLI and have not had any problems.  The benefit of U-FLi is they do the race schedule and scoring for you.  In NAFA - it was a nightmare to get an approved seeding/format and race schedule - constant tweaking. 

I don&#039;t know if Danie&#039;s problems arose because they had such a HUGE turnout...but, I found the process quite simple (and I had two back to back - Wags for Wishes being one of them)   I would be interested to know what specifically she had problems/issues with.  (as I am sure the U-FLI owners would to rectify).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Larry,</p>
<p>I have hosted both a NAFA (in California) and U-FLI and have not had any problems.  The benefit of U-FLi is they do the race schedule and scoring for you.  In NAFA &#8211; it was a nightmare to get an approved seeding/format and race schedule &#8211; constant tweaking. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if Danie&#8217;s problems arose because they had such a HUGE turnout&#8230;but, I found the process quite simple (and I had two back to back &#8211; Wags for Wishes being one of them)   I would be interested to know what specifically she had problems/issues with.  (as I am sure the U-FLI owners would to rectify).</p>
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