Comments on: Laying a good foundation http://www.flyballblog.com/laying-a-good-foundation/ i-Flyball Thu, 08 Dec 2011 13:35:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Cynthia Blue http://www.flyballblog.com/laying-a-good-foundation/comment-page-1/#comment-881 Cynthia Blue Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:02:44 +0000 http://www.flyballblog.com/laying-a-good-foundation/#comment-881 I just started training obedience and flyball. And although the old style of obedience was correction based, there is no place for it with my trainer and I. I use only positives and, amazingly enough, obedience is fun for me for the first time ever. Also, yes wanting to compete too soon is bad bad. I know this from agility. Putting the dog in the ring FAST is not good at all! Take the time to train right the first time. Now where is the article on how to train a brand new dog on the box... :) I just started training obedience and flyball. And although the old style of obedience was correction based, there is no place for it with my trainer and I. I use only positives and, amazingly enough, obedience is fun for me for the first time ever.

Also, yes wanting to compete too soon is bad bad. I know this from agility. Putting the dog in the ring FAST is not good at all! Take the time to train right the first time.

Now where is the article on how to train a brand new dog on the box… :)

]]> By: Jackie Gillies http://www.flyballblog.com/laying-a-good-foundation/comment-page-1/#comment-91 Jackie Gillies Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:41:59 +0000 http://www.flyballblog.com/laying-a-good-foundation/#comment-91 Back to the "old school" obediance. It is still very active. I took puppy Soc. classes with the local dog training club in Springfield, MO, since I live in the country, my dogs don't really get that much interaction. I was SHOCKED when the trainers put a pinch collar on a 6 month old exubrant lab puppy. Now, I will use a pinch, when necessary (and have not had to for years and years), but, on a puppy - no way. Nothing clicker training would not have helped with. This club btw - does not want anything to do with flyball. They do alot of agiity - not to the standard I am used to, but aside. Flyball is loud and obnoxious to them. As for props in box training ALWAYS - never take the prop away until you are at your first tourney. You can start training puppies the props but teaching them to jump back and forth over them - since they are so small, this will not put any stress on little joints. Back to the “old school” obediance. It is still very active. I took puppy Soc. classes with the local dog training club in Springfield, MO, since I live in the country, my dogs don’t really get that much interaction. I was SHOCKED when the trainers put a pinch collar on a 6 month old exubrant lab puppy. Now, I will use a pinch, when necessary (and have not had to for years and years), but, on a puppy – no way. Nothing clicker training would not have helped with. This club btw – does not want anything to do with flyball. They do alot of agiity – not to the standard I am used to, but aside. Flyball is loud and obnoxious to them.

As for props in box training ALWAYS – never take the prop away until you are at your first tourney. You can start training puppies the props but teaching them to jump back and forth over them – since they are so small, this will not put any stress on little joints.

]]> By: Larry http://www.flyballblog.com/laying-a-good-foundation/comment-page-1/#comment-85 Larry Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:02:47 +0000 http://www.flyballblog.com/laying-a-good-foundation/#comment-85 Do you think a dog should be introduced to props at the box from the start? I do and I will go into much greater detail in later lessons. I will never let any of my new dogs hit a box without proper training. The problem that you are experiencing now could have been prevented. Do you think a dog should be introduced to props at the box from the start?

I do and I will go into much greater detail in later lessons. I will never let any of my new dogs hit a box without proper training. The problem that you are experiencing now could have been prevented.

]]> By: bcollie http://www.flyballblog.com/laying-a-good-foundation/comment-page-1/#comment-83 bcollie Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:42:17 +0000 http://www.flyballblog.com/laying-a-good-foundation/#comment-83 Just a box training question and I'm sure there's different schools of thought on this. . . Do you think a dog should be introduced to props at the box from the start? The group I took lessons with lets the dogs get familiar with the box and doesn't start using props until after they are pretty much trained. The probelm my dog and I have with this is now we are basically retraining to get a turn and it's not going well. I think if she had never hit a box w/o props we wouldn't have this problem, but since this is my first dog in flyball . . I don't really have any experience to back up that belief. Just a box training question and I’m sure there’s different schools of thought on this. . . Do you think a dog should be introduced to props at the box from the start? The group I took lessons with lets the dogs get familiar with the box and doesn’t start using props until after they are pretty much trained. The probelm my dog and I have with this is now we are basically retraining to get a turn and it’s not going well. I think if she had never hit a box w/o props we wouldn’t have this problem, but since this is my first dog in flyball . . I don’t really have any experience to back up that belief.

]]> By: Beth http://www.flyballblog.com/laying-a-good-foundation/comment-page-1/#comment-82 Beth Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:23:40 +0000 http://www.flyballblog.com/laying-a-good-foundation/#comment-82 Oh, I know what you mean. Most of the folks I am involved with do various dog sports and we do things that used to be no-no's like tugging, but I'm seeing more and more motivational training, even with competitive obedience trainers. Thank goodness that things are changing for the better! Oh, I know what you mean. Most of the folks I am involved with do various dog sports and we do things that used to be no-no’s like tugging, but I’m seeing more and more motivational training, even with competitive obedience trainers. Thank goodness that things are changing for the better!

]]> By: Larry http://www.flyballblog.com/laying-a-good-foundation/comment-page-1/#comment-81 Larry Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:23:27 +0000 http://www.flyballblog.com/laying-a-good-foundation/#comment-81 Thanks for the comment Beth. Yes I probably should have worded that differently, however, there are still some that don't use positive training methods and I can think of couple just in my area. When I wrote that I was thinking of a quote that I heard from Angie Heighton (Spring Loaded) when she said, “Everything that you were taught in obedience training you throw away when training a Flyball dog, you should always let them win with their tug.” Yes, I agree that all dogs should have some basic obedience skills and it helps if they have worked around other dogs. Thanks for the comment Beth. Yes I probably should have worded that differently, however, there are still some that don’t use positive training methods and I can think of couple just in my area. When I wrote that I was thinking of a quote that I heard from Angie Heighton (Spring Loaded) when she said, “Everything that you were taught in obedience training you throw away when training a Flyball dog, you should always let them win with their tug.”

Yes, I agree that all dogs should have some basic obedience skills and it helps if they have worked around other dogs.

]]> By: Beth http://www.flyballblog.com/laying-a-good-foundation/comment-page-1/#comment-80 Beth Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:03:48 +0000 http://www.flyballblog.com/laying-a-good-foundation/#comment-80 I too, am really enjoying the articles and am encouraging other club members to read them. I do have to take exception to your comments, Larry, on obedience training. Maybe you're remembering the old days of obedience where we learned to do a lot of jerking and corrections. Thankfully, many, if not most trainers nowdays are using more positive methods. I don't skimp on the obedience training with my girls and they have drive to die for with flyball. I think a good recall is especially important. Granted you don't need good heeling or good stays, but I DO need those for everyday life around my house and for general good manners when out in public, but I think as long as you are training with reward-based methods, you're only doing you and your dog a favor. Just my 2 cents. Beth I too, am really enjoying the articles and am encouraging other club members to read them. I do have to take exception to your comments, Larry, on obedience training. Maybe you’re remembering the old days of obedience where we learned to do a lot of jerking and corrections. Thankfully, many, if not most trainers nowdays are using more positive methods. I don’t skimp on the obedience training with my girls and they have drive to die for with flyball. I think a good recall is especially important. Granted you don’t need good heeling or good stays, but I DO need those for everyday life around my house and for general good manners when out in public, but I think as long as you are training with reward-based methods, you’re only doing you and your dog a favor. Just my 2 cents.

Beth

]]> By: Jackie Gillies http://www.flyballblog.com/laying-a-good-foundation/comment-page-1/#comment-78 Jackie Gillies Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:38:33 +0000 http://www.flyballblog.com/laying-a-good-foundation/#comment-78 Excellent! I am thourghly enjoying this site. I especially appreciate how dedicated you are to training correctly from the get go. Thanks, Jackie Excellent! I am thourghly enjoying this site. I especially appreciate how dedicated you are to training correctly from the get go.
Thanks,
Jackie

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