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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/re-runs/comment-page-1/#comment-1275</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have that dog - &quot;so smart, they know they have done it wrong, and “try” to re-run themselves&quot; He used to run anchor, because he has a tendancy to drop balls when passed by non-height dogs, and when we (either him or me) made a mistake the team&#039;s philosophy was to re-run him. It got so that he knew he did something wrong when I stopped running in the lane. So, he&#039;d hit the start line, barely cross it, then spin himself back around and rerun the race. Not always for a win and sometimes pointlessly, but nevertheless, he had the fastest rerun times ever!

But, when I switched teams, I realized we had a problem. Not running anchor anymore, I had to be very careful not to stop running in the lane because he&#039;d revert to this first-learned behavior. More than once, he reran while another team dog was in the lane.

Now, I&#039;m trying to retrain my dog to pick up his bobbles (his most often reason for rerunning) and he&#039;s getting better. But, we have a new problem - when he bobbles, since he&#039;s still very smart, instead of rerunning when he hits the start line, he stops in the lane and tries to figure out what it is he is supposed to do. We&#039;ve had a few &quot;almost&quot; collisions with the next dog running. And, I&#039;ve gotten some very interesting comments when he returns to the box, the last place he saw the ball, and places himself in the &quot;two-on-two-off&quot; contact position waiting for instructions on how to get his ball.

After all this time, with my new team, I very rarely encourage handlers to rerun their dogs. The benefits rarely outweigh the problems rerunning can cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have that dog &#8211; &#8220;so smart, they know they have done it wrong, and “try” to re-run themselves&#8221; He used to run anchor, because he has a tendancy to drop balls when passed by non-height dogs, and when we (either him or me) made a mistake the team&#8217;s philosophy was to re-run him. It got so that he knew he did something wrong when I stopped running in the lane. So, he&#8217;d hit the start line, barely cross it, then spin himself back around and rerun the race. Not always for a win and sometimes pointlessly, but nevertheless, he had the fastest rerun times ever!</p>
<p>But, when I switched teams, I realized we had a problem. Not running anchor anymore, I had to be very careful not to stop running in the lane because he&#8217;d revert to this first-learned behavior. More than once, he reran while another team dog was in the lane.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m trying to retrain my dog to pick up his bobbles (his most often reason for rerunning) and he&#8217;s getting better. But, we have a new problem &#8211; when he bobbles, since he&#8217;s still very smart, instead of rerunning when he hits the start line, he stops in the lane and tries to figure out what it is he is supposed to do. We&#8217;ve had a few &#8220;almost&#8221; collisions with the next dog running. And, I&#8217;ve gotten some very interesting comments when he returns to the box, the last place he saw the ball, and places himself in the &#8220;two-on-two-off&#8221; contact position waiting for instructions on how to get his ball.</p>
<p>After all this time, with my new team, I very rarely encourage handlers to rerun their dogs. The benefits rarely outweigh the problems rerunning can cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristie</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/re-runs/comment-page-1/#comment-398</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now that my dog has gotten older, I don&#039;t rerun her.  she&#039;s a veteren and she knows the game of flyball.  I know that if she doesn&#039;t catch the ball cleanly she&#039;s coming back to me without it, it&#039;s silly for me to rerun her because she bobbled... she knows to get the ball.  I would rather save her energy.  however if the other team has a flag I&#039;ll send her again to win the race.  

with a younger dog I would agree to rerun your dog to get them to do it right, for all the reasons listed above... but never for points (and I&#039;ve gotten dirty looks for that on a previous team).  just another reason to find the right team that runs for the same reasons as you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now that my dog has gotten older, I don&#8217;t rerun her.  she&#8217;s a veteren and she knows the game of flyball.  I know that if she doesn&#8217;t catch the ball cleanly she&#8217;s coming back to me without it, it&#8217;s silly for me to rerun her because she bobbled&#8230; she knows to get the ball.  I would rather save her energy.  however if the other team has a flag I&#8217;ll send her again to win the race.  </p>
<p>with a younger dog I would agree to rerun your dog to get them to do it right, for all the reasons listed above&#8230; but never for points (and I&#8217;ve gotten dirty looks for that on a previous team).  just another reason to find the right team that runs for the same reasons as you do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Gillies</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/re-runs/comment-page-1/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Gillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and then there are the dogs that are so smart, they know they have done it wrong, and &quot;try&quot; to re-run themselves - to get it right! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and then there are the dogs that are so smart, they know they have done it wrong, and &#8220;try&#8221; to re-run themselves &#8211; to get it right! <img src='http://www.flyballblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/re-runs/comment-page-1/#comment-388</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In general our team will never rerun for a false start, early pass, or other handler error, even if the other team flags, but we are not going for a win under most circumstances.

A rerun in our mind is to fix a problem and the &quot;do it right&quot; mentality. Dropped balls, going around jumps, extreme bobble, etc. This is very important to us, and two mess ups in a row usually means it&#039;s time to take the dog out of the ring and straight to their kennel for a &quot;time out&quot;. 

Most trained dogs are smart enough to realize &quot;I didn&#039;t do it right, so I don&#039;t get to play anymore&quot; Especially those &quot;Real smart&quot; dogs who mess up because they KNOW they get to rerun. We know a dog who almost always goes around jumps and once it is back to it&#039;s handler it&#039;s turned around waiting for it&#039;s rerun. The immediately leave the ring for this dog will be imperative for it to learn it did something wrong and would go against the idea of the rerun for dog error idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In general our team will never rerun for a false start, early pass, or other handler error, even if the other team flags, but we are not going for a win under most circumstances.</p>
<p>A rerun in our mind is to fix a problem and the &#8220;do it right&#8221; mentality. Dropped balls, going around jumps, extreme bobble, etc. This is very important to us, and two mess ups in a row usually means it&#8217;s time to take the dog out of the ring and straight to their kennel for a &#8220;time out&#8221;. </p>
<p>Most trained dogs are smart enough to realize &#8220;I didn&#8217;t do it right, so I don&#8217;t get to play anymore&#8221; Especially those &#8220;Real smart&#8221; dogs who mess up because they KNOW they get to rerun. We know a dog who almost always goes around jumps and once it is back to it&#8217;s handler it&#8217;s turned around waiting for it&#8217;s rerun. The immediately leave the ring for this dog will be imperative for it to learn it did something wrong and would go against the idea of the rerun for dog error idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/re-runs/comment-page-1/#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“… playing frisbee or ball or whatever.”

I see this too.  I know one person that does this all the time.  

The only time I am outside playing with one of my dogs is when they are a backup dog and have not run all day or run very little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“… playing frisbee or ball or whatever.”</p>
<p>I see this too.  I know one person that does this all the time.  </p>
<p>The only time I am outside playing with one of my dogs is when they are a backup dog and have not run all day or run very little.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Gillies</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/re-runs/comment-page-1/#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Gillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with this topic, I usually don&#039;t see the point in re-runs, UNLESS it is for a win, OR, if you need to fix something, like a dropped ball issue, or run around jumps.  Just to end on a good note.  But, other than that, it just wears the dogs out, and in some cases, confuses them.  

WE, as the owner, handlers and devotees to our dogs, have to remember that our dogs don&#039;t care about points.  They are just happy that they get to go down, back and play with us, or get their treat. 

It especailly pains me seeing teams that are in the higher Divisions rerunnig their dogs.  And by the end of the weekend, are dead tired.  I also get extremely frustrated when I see these same dogs being run outside of the ring - playing frisbee or ball or whatever.  Dogs need the mental break that crating provides when they are not racing.  Being constantly stimulated can wear them down just as much as the racing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with this topic, I usually don&#8217;t see the point in re-runs, UNLESS it is for a win, OR, if you need to fix something, like a dropped ball issue, or run around jumps.  Just to end on a good note.  But, other than that, it just wears the dogs out, and in some cases, confuses them.  </p>
<p>WE, as the owner, handlers and devotees to our dogs, have to remember that our dogs don&#8217;t care about points.  They are just happy that they get to go down, back and play with us, or get their treat. </p>
<p>It especailly pains me seeing teams that are in the higher Divisions rerunnig their dogs.  And by the end of the weekend, are dead tired.  I also get extremely frustrated when I see these same dogs being run outside of the ring &#8211; playing frisbee or ball or whatever.  Dogs need the mental break that crating provides when they are not racing.  Being constantly stimulated can wear them down just as much as the racing.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonya</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/re-runs/comment-page-1/#comment-378</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the policy of whether or not you re run a dog probably starts with WHY your club plays flyball.  If your club runs for points, then some on your club will be mad if you don&#039;t re-run a dog.  If you are running for time, then most on your club will be mad if  you re-run just to finish.  I don&#039;t re run my dog unless we have a chance to win the race.  The exception is if I have a dog that is getting lazy, and I want to reinforce &quot;to get the tug, you have to do it right&quot;.  BUT, to be fair, I was once on a club that actually had members get mad that I didn&#039;t re-run and give the other dogs on that team at least 5 points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the policy of whether or not you re run a dog probably starts with WHY your club plays flyball.  If your club runs for points, then some on your club will be mad if you don&#8217;t re-run a dog.  If you are running for time, then most on your club will be mad if  you re-run just to finish.  I don&#8217;t re run my dog unless we have a chance to win the race.  The exception is if I have a dog that is getting lazy, and I want to reinforce &#8220;to get the tug, you have to do it right&#8221;.  BUT, to be fair, I was once on a club that actually had members get mad that I didn&#8217;t re-run and give the other dogs on that team at least 5 points.</p>
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		<title>By: bcollie</title>
		<link>http://www.flyballblog.com/re-runs/comment-page-1/#comment-377</link>
		<dc:creator>bcollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use a rerun to tell if the dog needs to be pulled.  If my dog drops(her most common flaw) I&#039;d rather re-run her and see if she does it again and then pull the dog than risk losing another heat from the same problem.   I wouldn&#039;t re-run for the same thing over and over.  I don&#039;t have a problem with pulling my dog if she&#039;s decided she doesn&#039;t want to play right, but some people I guess figure they&#039;re there for the day so their dogs running regardless of performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use a rerun to tell if the dog needs to be pulled.  If my dog drops(her most common flaw) I&#8217;d rather re-run her and see if she does it again and then pull the dog than risk losing another heat from the same problem.   I wouldn&#8217;t re-run for the same thing over and over.  I don&#8217;t have a problem with pulling my dog if she&#8217;s decided she doesn&#8217;t want to play right, but some people I guess figure they&#8217;re there for the day so their dogs running regardless of performance.</p>
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